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Strong Teacher Not Needed? On Distillation in LLM Pretraining

Taiming Lu

Abstract

Knowledge distillation generally assumes a strong-to-weak relationship where stronger teachers yield better students. In this work, we examine this assumption about distillation in large language model pretraining. By varying architecture sizes and training token budgets, we create strong-to-weak, same-level, and weak-to-strong teacher-student relationships, and study distillation's effectiveness under each. We find that the teacher need not be strong: with proper mixing of the language modeling...

Submitted: May 25, 2026Subjects: Machine Learning; Data Science

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Knowledge distillation generally assumes a strong-to-weak relationship where stronger teachers yield better students. In this work, we examine this assumption about distillation in large language model pretraining. By varying architecture sizes and training token budgets, we create strong-to-weak, same-level, and weak-to-strong teacher-student relationships, and study distillation's effectiveness under each. We find that the teacher need not be strong: with proper mixing of the language modeling and knowledge distillation losses, even small and undertrained teachers improve larger students. At the same time, a stronger teacher is not always better: pushing the teacher further, through more parameters or more training tokens, can saturate or even reverse the distillation gains. We further observe that distillation improves generalization (out-of-distribution and downstream performance) more readily than in-domain fitting. Together, these results challenge the common belief that distillation pretraining always requires a strong teacher.


Source: arXiv:2605.23857v1 - http://arxiv.org/abs/2605.23857v1 PDF: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2605.23857v1 Original Link: http://arxiv.org/abs/2605.23857v1

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May 25, 2026
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Machine Learning
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